FreddietheWire Apr 11 2000, 3:00 am show options Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing From: FreddietheW...@webtv.net - Find messages by this author Date: 2000/04/11 Subject: MORE TRICKS OF THE TRADE(by freddie the wire) Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Surprise--surprise!!!! I didn't get but only one flame for posting the ins and outs of lock and safe bypassing--gee I wonder why--maybe because I told all these secret Squirrels that it just doesn't bother me--actually it makes me laugh!! ok well here are a few more tricks of this trade for you guys that want em--- ok here's a trick for opening certain types of "SUPRA" key boxes--for those of you that don't know what a supra key box is they are the boxes on the outside of buildings and they contain either a master key or a sub-master key for that building--they are there for the fire dept so they can use them in case of fires--anyhow--the supra boxes that have the push buttons and a reset button that is narrower then the "OPEN" button can be opened simply by 1st pressing clear,then press the #1 button now press and hold the open button then press clear--the button will either stay down and not move or it will make a clicking sound and pop back up--repeat this procedure for all of the buttons--keep track of the buttons that click and pop up for those buttons are the numbers in the opening code---now all you have to do is enter those buttons in the right order and bingo you have a access to the master key for that building!!!--LOL--that should make a few of these so-called lock pros a little pissed off--lol---but like I said before--I'm not a Locksmith--but I will lay dollars to doughnuts that I know more about the business then they do!! ok--now for a quicker easier way to open sentry safes--not the electronic ones just the ones that have dials---take your battery powered drill--these safes don't have hard plate--or even mild plate--lol--its basically tin over fire proofing material!--ok- so now chuck in a hole saw between one and a half to 2 and an eighth inch bi-metal hole saw--mark a point exactly half way between the dial center and the handle center--drill in there--remember these safes drill very fast and easy--be careful not to drill thru the bolt--all you want to do is drill deep enough to penetrate the inside cavity--as soon as your hole saw beaks thru stop drilling--now just grab a flat headed punch and while angling it towards the dial pack strike the bolt a few times and this will force the bolt up and over the wheel pack now all you do open the door--- ok how about gm ignitions--I have already explained in an earlier post how to open gm cars--so here's a quick way to start them---now ever since 1978 gm has used a hardened steel pin that screws thru the ignition cylinder making it impossible to pull there six pin ignition using a dent puller--and most people will tell you that you have to tear down the column to remove these ignitions--well that's true--if you want to remove the ignition--but you can bypass this method and start these ignitions fairly easy---now remember gm ignition locks use a side bar so it is useless to try and pick these locks--unless you can put pressure on the side bar--and that is what my tip teaches you--first break off the ignition cap--or the "ears" as many people call it--now--if you look at the face of the cylinder you will see a circular indent that goes around the entire cylinder about 3/8 of an inch from the keyway--this is where you are going to drill--right in the indent--draw an imaginary line from the center of the keyway to this indent towards you--now take a 1/8 inch high speed drill bit and drill thru this face plate--you will drill thru it very easy once through remove the bit--you now have access to the side bar --now take a paper clip--or similar piece of wire--bevel one end--then with a pick or similar item "rake" the tumblers(the tumblers are on the bottom of the lock in this type of cylinder) while at the same time applying pressure to the side bar with the clip--keep pushing in on the clip and raking the tumblers until all 6 tumblers are picked(these types of ignitions pick very very easily when you can apply pressure to the side bar!)--now while still holding pressure on the side bar take a flat head screw driver and turn the ignition towards the on position--because you still have the clip on the side bar you will only be able to turn the lock a little bit but it is far enough to hold the side bar in place so you can remove the clip--now with turning pressure held on the screw driver remove the clip and continue turning the ignition to the start position--and presto--the car is running--I know this sounds like a long drawn out method--but after a few tries and some practice you will be able to start a GM with this type lock in less than a minute and a half! how about one more safe tip before I go off to bed---you ever see a meilink fire safe??--not the old cast iron safes or the round pull out doors like the gas stations use--I'm talking about the stand up--counter high meilink fire safes--they have a black plastic handle that runs horizontal on the safe when in the locked position--unlike the usual up and down position of the handle---and most of them carry the name meilink right above the handle---these safes are almost as easy to open without the combination then with--LOL--ok first make sure it is the meilink fire safe and not the old cast iron fire safe---then measure exactly 2 and a half inches left of dial center and 5/8 of and inch down from there---drill a 1/4 to 3/8 inch hole into the door cavity--this safe will drill faster than you might think---mostly fire insulation---no hardplate where you are drilling--they put hard plate under the lock--but your not drilling for the lock--LOL--now when you break thru you should be right on top of the handle cam-- take a flat headed punch and give the handle cam a few good blows with a good hammer and punch---this will bend the handle cam out enough to "bypass " the locking bolt of the safe lock and bingo--the safe is open!--be sure to keep checking the handle with turning pressure--you don't want to bend the cam too much--if you have another guy with you have him put moderate pressure on the handle while you are slamming the cam---remember--I said moderate--too much pressure on this type of safe handle will cause it to break--then your screwed! so just keep it easy---if you cant open this safe this way in less than 5 minutes then you shouldn't be doing it---a total amateur can use this technique and open it in 4 minutes--good luck and remember locksmiths---let me hear those flames--your really disappointing me--only one guy flamed me before--lets go boys---let the flames begin--LMFAO ohh--and as far as the guy that said he posted the "government sealed schlage" as a joke---pal--I just re-read the original post--you did not add the ocean front property bit until after you were made a fool of--then you wrote another post with the arizona ocean front property--so either you didn't want that guy to do it himself--why I don't now--I mean it is after all his lock--not yours so he has a right to fix it himself without calling a locksmith out and getting reamed by the high prices you guys charge---or you just didn't know what the hell you were talking about and then tried to cover it up by posting the other crap about it being a joke---if it was a joke then someone has to lend you a sense of humor--because pal--you ain't funny!! well that's all today---c-ya all tomorrow---ciao belle freddie the wire!!