DEFEATING TUBULAR LOCKS(by Freddie the wire)
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FreddietheWire 	  May 11 2000, 3:00 am     show options
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Date: 2000/05/11
Subject: DEFEATING TUBULAR LOCKS(by Freddie the wire)
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OK people--when I was away I received a ton of messages requesting info
on defeating greenwald--ace--and coin vault locks--the tubular kind----I
also have received several e-mails from some of the real locksmiths in
here requesting that I please not post that info---well I was divided as
what I should do--after all you people are my fans and I have promised
to share my knowledge with you--but the lock jocks that asked me not to
post that info all seem to be the REAL stand up lock jocks that frequent
billy bob boneheads NG---and although my feelings towards the real
locksmiths---who i do respect as professionals---is ok---my feelings
towards billy bob bonehead--AAAnus--J(unior) P(enis)---dennis the
cartoon character--rico the clown---and that british fairy --whatever
his name was--LOL--my feeling towards these idiots out weigh my respect
for the real lock jocks here--so to the stand up real pro lock jocks--i
apologize---but I am going to print 2 methods of attack on these types
of locks---and if you guys have a problem with it then i guess you can
either ignore it or join up with billy bob bonehead and his team of
clowns--LOL

OK--heres method #1---drill them open----you need a hole saw that is the
diameter of the face ring of the tubular lock---what you want to do is
drill out the face of the lock and once thru you will be able to "empty"
the pins out of their respective chambers and open the
lock---however--this approach obviously damages the lock---so ----
Method #2----pick them open---to make a home made pick for tubular locks
you need a tubular key---it does not have to be a blank key--it can be
one that is already cut---because you are going to file away the outside
of the key where the cuts are---file the key all the way around the
outside diameter of the key until you can insert the key into a tubular
lock and physically see the pins on the side of the key---you also want
to file enough of the blank away so that the side of the key does not
come in contact with the pin tumblers---once you have the key filed in
this manner you will have to file off the little nub--or--"tit" that is
on the outside of the front of the key----this tit should be filed level
with the key---there is an identical little "nub" on the inside of the
barrel of the key---do NOT file this tit off--this nub is the thing that
apply's the turning tension on the lock--the outside nub only guides the
key into the lock---OK---now you will need either a very thin piece of
round spring steel--or a small sewing needle----picking these types off
locks is generally the same as picking any pin tumbler lock---except the
tumblers are arranged in a circle instead of a straight line---and
generally the are 7 tumblers---sometimes 8 sometimes 6---but mostly
7----now insert the modified "pick" key into the lock ad apply medium
turning pressure to the opening position--usually clockwise---but not
always---once you apply turning pressure--slowly start "picking" the
tumblers one at a time around the lock by lightly applying downward
pressure on them with the springsteel or needle----dont get discouraged
if it takes you a while to pick open your first tubular lock--they
generally pick harder than regular locks especially the ace II
locks----by gently and carefully applying  pressure to each pin you will
bring that tumbler to its shear line and because you are keeping a
constant turning tension on the "plug" of the lock you will "trap" each
tumbler at its shear line---if one tumbler will not stay at its shear
line after a couple of attempts---move on to the next pin and come back
to that tumbler after---because of the way locks are machined they are
not machined perfectly--that is the reason locks can be picked---all you
have to do is figure out which order the imperfections line up
in--also-you will have to be careful when you successfully pick the lock
open---you only want to move the plug about 1/16 of  turn and trap all
the tumblers in their unlocked position--the reason is because these
locks will re-lock themselves at every 1/8th of a turn--and you really
don't want to keep picking the lock over and over---so once you have
successfully picked the lock open and turned it 1/16th of a turn what
you want to do is light a candle--and pour some melted wax into the
locks "groove" or keyway where the pins are--you want to trap the
tumblers into there unlocked position and the wax will do that when it
cools--it will also make a mess--LOL--but people will just think kids
were screwing around with them trying to "gum" them up---if you don't
want to use the wax method thats ok--most of these locks---the ones that
don't unscrew to open--only have to be turned anywhere from a quarter to
a half of a turn--so the ones that only have to turn to 90 degrees to
open have to be picked twice---the ones that have to be turned to 180
degrees to open have to be picked 4 times--but remember--if you want
this to be a black op--and no-one to know that means you have to pick
the lock in the opposite direction that many times to secure it
again!--you should buy a tubular lock to practice with--if your local
lockjock wont sell one to you just go to radio shack---they sell them
for about 10 dollars and they come with 2 keys---they sell them to go
with their alarm systems--but they also sell them
separately----remember---don't get discouraged after only a couple of
tries---learning to pick locks is a semi difficult task--and learning to
pick tubular locks is even more difficult----so be patient---and good
luck----also---if you are attempting to "pick" open the tubular locks on
the washing machines at a coin op laundry mat--these machines locks are
guarded by a hardened "box" and you must have a longer tubular key to
open it---and no-one I know of other than locksmiths and laundry machine
wholesalers have these types of locks and keys---so if you need the
longer key to modify it into your pick--you'll have to order one from a
locksmith--and you will also have to pay big for it!!-because they will
want to know the cuts--and you don't know them so you will have to
purchase an entire lock from them!!
as for the flamers---bite me--LOL---you guys couldn't figure out your
birth dates let alone who I actually am---so don't exhaust all of your
brain cells---what little bit you have----cause you are not nearly
intelligent as you think you are----LOL
and billy bob bonehead---pucker up and kiss my ass,you lame brain---fake
ass locksmith----he takes a stupid home course and introduces himself as
a locksmith---just because your boyfriends AAAnus and that english fairy
like you that does not mean you are a REAL locksmith you moron!!!----and
as far as the billy bob bonehead disciples----don't forget to have your
lips surgically sewn on billy bob ass before kissing up to him---you
pathetic excuses for humans---ok--for the flamers--your dismissed---for
my fans---have fun and good luck---don't forget---post what you want to
know and if I know how to defeat it I will tell you--but remember-I am
not like billy bob and his clan of clowns--I will only tell you how to
do something I have physically done---I never give out bullshit
advice---like him and his disciples!!!!!
Freddie-(glad to be back)--the Wire